Jeff Smith — who I got to know at the poker table in his days as a Missouri state senator and is now an assistant professor of politics and advocacy at The New School — has written a fascinating piece about the Bush Dynasty and its evolution. With Jeb Bush considering a possibly-maybe-perhaps run for the presidency in 2016 and his now 90-year-old father George HW Bush (our 41st president) hospitalized this week, I invited Jeff to join me on KTRS to discuss that political family and how Jeb (like his father and grandfather) may not fit in today’s ultra-conservative Republican party.

Listen to our conversation here.