Gene Kranz was the longtime Flight Director at NASA Mission Control from the first Americans in space through men on the moon, and more. He’s written about his career in “Failure Is Not An Option: Mission Control from Mercury to Apollo 13 and Beyond.”

Gene was on my show today to explain how the real-life controllers compared with their movie counterparts in “Apollo 13” (he was portrayed by Ed Harris), what went through his head when Apollo 11 first landed on the moon, and the story behind Alan Shepherd’s lunar golf shot.

Listen to our conversation here.