In the decade-long war in Iraq, we know how many members of the US military died — 4,486 — but the data on Iraqi civilians have always been vague. The generally accepted number has been around 100,000, but a new report says the actual death toll may be five times as large. On my America Weekend show, I talked this over with Greg Mitchell, blogger for The Nation and author of “So Wrong For So Long: How The Press and Pundits — and the President — Failed On Iraq.” We also discussed the recent revelations of the NSA tapping the phones of foreign leaders like Germany’s Angela Merkel, and whether anything will stop our surveillance-crazed government.

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Greg Mitchell is also a co-producer of the documentary, “Following The Ninth,” about Beethoven’s 9th Symphony. See the trailer here.