Mandy Nelson has been told by a judge that she can’t have any more kids out of wedlock as part of her probation in a forgery case. He says he did it to help her with her financial difficulties. Today, Mandy told me she was stunned by the judge’s decision — and it’s a moot point because she had her tubes tied two years ago.

Keep in mind that, although she’s had trouble with the law before, Mandy is not a child abuser, her children haven’t been taken away, and she’s not on the public dole. These are petty crimes — by what authority can a judge tell her she can’t reproduce? Would a judge ever do this to a middle-class family that has three kids but is in bad financial shape because of lots of credit-card debt and a huge mortgage?

Listen to the conversation here.